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Update: Pathologist Tells Dr. Phil He Doubts That Zahau Killed Herself

Wecht's conclusions are part of the final installment of talk shows focused on Zahau's July death in the Spreckels mansion.

 

Update 6:40 p.m. Tuesday, adds Sheriff's department comments. 

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The doctor who performed the second autopsy on the woman who died in the Spreckels mansion said he has “grave and serious doubts” about the conclusion that Rebecca Zahau killed herself. 

Dr. Cyril Wecht, a Pittsburgh forensic pathologist criticized law enforcement officials, alleging that they decided within a matter of days that Zahau killed herself. He has worked on high-profile cases, including the deaths of President John F. Kennedy and murdered beauty pageant contestant JonBenet Ramsey.

Detectives spent seven weeks examining the case .

Wecht discussed his findings Tuesday on the closing installment of the two-part Dr. Phil talk show featuring Zahau's death. Zahau's family members and their attorney, Anne Bremner, were also guests.

“I lean very strongly toward it being a homicide,” Wecht said.

The San Diego County Sheriff's Department, which headed the investigations into Zahau's death, stood by its conclusions.

“To date, neither our detectives nor the Medical Examiner's Office have been presented with any evidence from this second autopsy,” according to a Sheriff's statement. “If Dr. Wecht or Miss Bremner would like to share information they believe is pertinent with our investigators, we would be glad to meet with them, rather than hear their results on television, provided as entertainment.”

Wecht, who has followed the case for weeks, said before he conducted the second autopsy – – that he thought Zahau's manner of death should have been labeled inconclusive rather than as a suicide.

He reiterated that point on the program, taped Nov. 7 in Hollywood, but said he believed a thorough initial autopsy had been conducted. His concerns lie not with the examination, but with the conclusions detectives drew based on it.

He focused on these findings: 

  • , which Wecht said were unlikely to have been suffered in a drop from a balcony, but instead inflicted by an item with a rounded smooth surface. Suffering the blows also might have left Zahau incapacitated, he said, explaining the lack of defensive wounds on her body.
  • A long drop from the balcony almost certainly would have fractured or dislocated Zahau's neck. “That bothers me greatly with this kind of situation,“ Wecht said.
  • Zahau's nudity, her bindings and the movements she would have had to make while bound, which Wecht compared to feats by escape artist Harry Houdini. 
  • Of the 17,000 autopsies he's conducted and 30,000 he's supervised, Wecht said 3,500 have been suicides. He said he can't recall any of them including a woman who chose to kill herself naked and outdoors.

After Wecht shared his conclusions, Bremner and Zahau's sister, Mary Zahau Loehner, .

“I would prefer that they not touch my sister's case any more at all,” Zahau Loehner said.

, two days after her boyfriend Johan Shacknai's son fell and suffered head injuries at the residence.

She was found nude and bound by her boyfriend's brother, who said she was hanging from a second-floor balcony. Authorities concluded that Zahau killed herself after being informed that the boy's condition was deteriorating. The child died three days after Zahau.

Her sister and loved ones have pointed to other injuries she suffered, a mysterious message painted on a mansion door and the manner in which she was found to argue that Zahau did not die by her own hand.

 

City News Service contributed to this report.

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ludwig November 16, 2011 at 02:44 pm
Yes because someone who planned the "perfect" murder to look like suicide (but not really) and left absolutely no trace of themselves, brought rope, paint, brushes, knives, managed to subdue someone with a rubber dog chew as their weapon of choice. What a dumb idea.
Grace November 16, 2011 at 02:45 pm
ludwig, don't you have even one question about this case, something that raises your eyebrows? At least one thing that doesn't sit right with you?
I have a question for you to answer. How does Rebecca while feet and hands bound, gag in her mouth shut the balcony door behind her before jumping? Oh and Anne B. also said she turned off the bedroom light as well. How and why?
Grace November 16, 2011 at 02:50 pm
Oh yes and while bound, gagged, close light and door behind her manage to leave only one (1) set of footprints and one (1) toe print before jumping. I think that would be physically impossible even for a star cirque du soleil performer.
Hillarie November 16, 2011 at 02:50 pm
@ Ludwig -
This isn't the perfect murder.
ludwig November 16, 2011 at 02:55 pm
Duh Hillarie - that's because its a sick and twisted suicide done by someone who had a serious mental breakdown and there is no explaining the symbolism or motivations because - well she was not well and you cannot get into the mindset of someone who has gone that far off the reservation.
Hillarie November 16, 2011 at 03:01 pm
@ Ludwig -
Not likely a suicide. Please keep your racist comments to yourself - they cheapen your position.
phillyaztec November 16, 2011 at 03:06 pm
Generally, folks who insist on flaunting their stupidity bore me...
ludwig November 16, 2011 at 03:06 pm
I have never, ever said anything racist. And if you want to talk about "cheap" positions... I'm all in.
ludwig November 16, 2011 at 03:08 pm
Grace - I've made my position on this clear for 4 months. At first - yes it was an odd situation - nobody can deny that. After all of the little bits of "evidence" have come out - its plain to see it was a suicide. I do not take Anne Bremner's chosen tidbits - with so much context left out as gospel and never will. I am never scared and desperate but that DID make me laugh!
K November 16, 2011 at 03:12 pm
@ludwig - Please come join us:
http://lefthandedkitten.freeforums.org/
K November 16, 2011 at 03:16 pm
Hey you, get over here:
http://lefthandedkitten.freeforums.org/
Hillarie November 16, 2011 at 03:16 pm
@ Ludwig -
The "reservation" comment was racist. If I thought rational, courteous, logical discussion were possible with you regarding the merits of the suicide vs. murder position, I might be willing to spend some time discussing it with you. But thus far, I have seen that you generally do not answer the questions posed to you, call names, and blindly refuse to entertain any possibility other than suicide. Some posters who tend to favor suicide can actually engage in meaningful conversation on the topic - sadly, you are not one of them.
Interested November 16, 2011 at 03:20 pm
Ludwig - pot calling the kettle black? If this case has proven anything at all about the S family and their followers, it is that the whole bunch of them (and you) are sick and twisted. Not the other way around as you love to point out. The evidence is very clear on that point if on nothing else.
Grace November 16, 2011 at 03:32 pm
ludwig
10:08am on Wednesday, November 16, 2011 Grace - I've made my position on this clear for 4 months. At first - yes it was an odd situation - nobody can deny that. After all of the little bits of "evidence" have come out - its plain to see it was a suicide. I do not take Anne Bremner's chosen tidbits - with so much context left out as gospel and never will. I am never scared and desperate but that DID make me laugh! ludwig, little bits of "evidence", odd situation? Is that your answer to my question? Serious? If it is plain to see it was a suicide, then please answer my question because I can not wrap my mind around a logical answer.
ludwig November 16, 2011 at 03:38 pm
Ludwig will not be discussing "Ludwig" here. Ludwig's computer is just fine but thanks for your concern. If it wasn't - Ludwig would just get another one. Pretty simple actually because everything doesn't have to be a big ordeal or conspiracy. See how that works?
Hillarie November 16, 2011 at 03:40 pm
@ Interested -
I don't think it's appropriate to call anyone involved in this case sick and twisted unless and until it's proven who did what. And at no time is it appropriate to call a dead person names of any kind.
ludwig November 16, 2011 at 03:42 pm
Go on with your search and destroy mission of all things SDSO and Gore Mack. Good luck with all of that. I have to ask.... what's your personal illegal activity that got you tangled up with SDSO? Bitter about it?
Interested November 16, 2011 at 03:42 pm
Wrong interpretation, Ludwig. The former poster says YOU fried her computer. That's why she doesn't post here any longer.
ludwig November 16, 2011 at 03:52 pm
Can't be done Interested. I do not have magic powers to fry anyone's computer nor do I have time or the inclination.
K - I'm in.
KC November 16, 2011 at 03:54 pm
I don't think Luddy's comment was racist. Figure of speech, akin to saying "not playing with a full deck". Probably not the best choice of words, though.
If it was a suicide, I don't know about the "mental breakdown" part. Sounds like a desperate act with a desperate message. Which would probably apply to a murder theory, too.
KC November 16, 2011 at 04:06 pm
So how did Lud actually manage that?
K November 16, 2011 at 06:38 pm
@Interested - Nope. She just got embarrassed that she was outed as a liar. Not an RN, not so Sunnie, and not so honest, considering she posted (and still posts) under numerous names. Tsk tsk.
ludwig November 16, 2011 at 06:47 pm
Awwwww and for some reason Hillarie thought that was witty. So cute!
Hillarie November 16, 2011 at 07:01 pm
@Ludwig -
Not witty. True.
Grace November 16, 2011 at 07:19 pm
True.
mmmmm November 16, 2011 at 09:43 pm
Paul Ciolino, Anne Bremner, members of FOA (Friends of Amanda Knox). Yeah, no connection there.
http://blog.seattlepi.com/dempsey/2009/02/01/amanda-knox-cnns-nancy-grace-interviews-friends-of-amanda/
ludwig November 16, 2011 at 11:43 pm
Tedious and hyperbolic. Don't quit your day job.
joe2 November 16, 2011 at 11:47 pm
Kathleen M - indeed priceless. Irish hearts are smiling. thanks for laugh (chuckle chuckle)
mmmmm November 17, 2011 at 12:29 am
How transparent is that? Polygraph results were published in the media. I'd like to see RM take a lie detector test. First he took classes in LE, then he was a cop, then does contract work for LE. I think to be in LE, one must take a polygraph.
redress November 17, 2011 at 01:39 am
:)) !
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