It took my 15 year old to point that out to me. I guess the reporting on here is not without bias.

Jennifer,
It's your site, you are the editor. The scapegoat stuff does what you said not to do, trash the dead victim who cannot defend herself.

Sounds like normal reaction to me.

Grace - ditto, and thank you for your level-headed comments.
Due to NO consequences on the part of Patch administration, which has allowed the vile, heinous attacks and threats upon not only people who had enjoyed stimulating, intelligent discourse here since July, but also the libelous accusations against persons on other forums, to prevail, this comment section has become a cesspool.

Yes Grace, thank you & Yes Joe2. Joe2 you are missed ; (

In fairness to the Patch, they may not have the budget to dedicate staff time to the job of keeping out all the vileness that seems to compound here on a daily basis.

thanks for re-posting grace.

Thanks, Not Being Paid.

Yes, Justice, I'm very disheartened and disgusted.

Its immature and ingenious.

*disingenious

Woody Allen, okay. It's not secret code you know. You're all a peanut gallery full of hyenas. Your stuff would play better in the Catskills.

Cut.

Hi Nanuk!

It would be interesting to know.

I haven't given the tee shirt too much thought considering there were teenagers in the home also~ Ethan, Gabby and Xena. It could have belonged to any one of them in addition to Max.

@LopEyeLee - It does matter that the T-shirt was near Max's unconscious body and that it was cut.

They got the T-shirt. It was in the trash can. The potted plant, a clump of Max's hair, and one of the two soccer balls was among items missing. I think there was also a stained tissue missing. They were actually able to recover only a few of the items mentioned on the list.

Good and fair debate. That is what I was hoping for.

There's so much I could have posted, if I wanted to state my private opinions. I felt there wasn't a place for them. They're private opinions. I felt it would not be fair to say such things about the deceased -- and some people partly expressed my opinions anyway.

So what did I express?

1. That Robert Mack and cohort had no right to try and kick people of differing opinions from a public news site.

2. That an anti-Semitic subtext ran through much of the pro-murder group's discourse.

3. That Jonah Shacknai made a big mistake letting someone with a recent shoplifting (CRIMINAL) record into his home. His poor judgment as a parent led to the death of his son. And of course, had the relationship with Rebecca not happened, she would be alive.

4. That Max's accident wasn't so accidental.

Oh forgot this part. Good bye and good riddance.

So original, snappy and witty because you have contributed so much original thought and content... wait - have you?

Yea I'm worn down by this BS too. I'm taking a break. I know this runaway train will go off the tracks but I really don't even care anymore. Good luck folks.

Justice, I felt the same way after reading it Wednesday night.

The only reason why I'm posting right now is because those jackasses at Coronado Masquerade are so transparently manipulative and offensive.

I actually really appreciated Justice's center point of view.. Ludwig and I have our good and bad moments.. I seriously thought we were working on a decent understanding.

K/sickitten I don't now why your surprised people are running from this site.. Your the one that puts crap info out there that is just similar enough to what people see on here to make everyone worried and freak out.. It is exactly like you have done on other sites.. You turn everyone against each other.. I would not be surprised if you had at least a couple computers that you use.. Half of these names are probably yours.. something you constantly accuse me of..
I will ask again.. Jennifer Vigil Please Identify K and Sick Itten and any IP addresses that match them and ban them and all of their other aliases and then we can have an honest decent debate/discussion about all sides of this case.

Thats strange too, but I think Xena was injured when she was handling the broken glass while cleaning them up. So, I don't think its so strange. I would like to know why max's hands were not injured. It would seem to me that if he was conscious when we went over the railing he would put up his hands to try to break his fall, would his hands not have contusions on them?

Yes, if Max truly was conscious when he went over the railing, his hands would have lacerations on them. If Xena got cut merely from cleaning up glass, as alleged, surely Max would be more severely cut from clutching a chandelier and flying through it (or having it fall on him) as alleged.

I see this as further proof that the fall was staged and that Max's injuries happened elsewhere. How else do you explain a chandelier sitting neatly at his left shoulder with his body turned the opposite way from how it would have landed had he gone over the rail while conscious?

dear Rob Mack...I'm from Israel..@ never had a problem with any (untisemetic)...I haven't followed any thread here..But..I know..You are a very Honest..@ Kind......we Love every One".......Peace to all...<3

So the writer of the commentary, is quoting an unverified source as fact? Hmmm. I'll bite that Dina didn't want Rebecca around, but not due to jealousy. In hindsight, Dina seems amazingly intuitivie, or maybe that's just me.

Thanks for bringing this over.

I disagree that Dina was jealous of Rebecca. In fact, I'll bet it was the other way around. However, I do believe that Dina was trained in spotting disturbing behavior and I'll bet she was able to identify Rebecca as a sociopath.

She does. It's probably her training as well as mother's instinct.

She was most likely already seeing patients. She had years of training and knew how to detect personality disorders and other mental illnesses. When you're a professional therapist you are able to pick up on symptoms in an almost intuitive way. You pick up on the person's energy.

Are you kidding? Some of the craziest, most dysfunctional people I know have studied psychology and are therapists. It is why they study it or enter into it as a profession, because they have issues themselves.

@ Grace - But Dina's not the one who killed her kid, now is she?

Someone mentioned to me the other day that the fact rebecca referred to max as her son, is a sign of some very disturbing behavior. Its some kind of attachment disorder when they imagine bonds that do not exist. Maybe in her mind she REALLY felt Max was her son, and if he said hey, you're not my mom, that could cause her to go into a great depression or lash out. I'm wondering if this is actually the disorder that Dina recognized in Rebecca.

Just Another - Yes, and abusers sometimes try to force an unnatural relationship between themselves and their victims, such as over familiarity.

@Grace...Grace you are so right on that point. My sister is a child psychologist and is a mother herself and I cannot believe some of the things she does with her own children. I also know people in the field and honestly, more than a couple could use some good therapy themselves.

That's true. Some of the nuttiest people I know are therapists. It doesn't mean they're not highly trained and able to quickly sense who is a sociopath or has a personality disorder or other mental illness.

@ Lauren - You all wouldn't want to guess what Mary's ex-husband does for a living, would you?

@Lauren
Do you realize you just dissed your sister on a public forum?

'not beeing paid"....Grace' Is right......It was Only doe to Jelousy....that Dina didn't like Rebecca, ---who was very good with children.....dina's fear may have "manifested"....Has Nothing to do with dear Rebecca...( gosh...the stupidity here is out of this world"...............................

Dear Rebecca-----was @ is a Jem.....those who can't see It.......Just can not clue to this...they don't Understand....Her Inner @ Outer Beauty..........<3

Shame on you K. I have never, ever spoken bad about Max. In fact, I have said he was a beautiful little boy and when I see pictures of his smile it hurts my heart.

You are evil and the lowest form of life on this earth. It is all going to come back on you one day. How dare you say I bashed a dead little boy. You are a disgusting person.

I hope my suspicions are right about who I think you are, cause then you will get what you deserve when the truth is revealed.

Grace, please point out to me where and what I said that is "bashing" rebecca. If my questions about her activities is your idea of "bashing" then I'm not sure you belong on such a public forum.

Re-read your posts Crackpot.

@ Grace - So much for turning the other cheek. So tell me, exactly what part of Christianity DO you adhere to?

Grace, i don't have to re-read my post, I don't find any of them to be "Bashing", so I'm asking you to point it out because I want to see, in your opinion, what is "bashing". I find you allegations to be very cowardly, if you are willing to point a finger without further explanation. Your name calling is the only "bashing" I've seen so far

Hate that what is evil, fight the good fight....etc. but I can see most of you on here tonight are just about bashing me and anyone who believes this is a murder.
I am not going to fall into your pit of lies and deceit anymore nor play your sick games.

The time is getting near, the truth will be out. Guess your new tatic is to target Rebecca, her family and anyone who thinks she was murdered. The truth will come out soon....until then, I am not going to play games with you anymore. Once again, the truth will be known. On that note I say Amen.

dear Grace --"K"....Is like Poison.....No need to pay any attention to that person...Low consciousness...ok......Please...."raiz Your vibration"....How ???? ( i'm asking this of K'..) How.....Learn to be Honest...Learn to Love...........

Well. I wasn't going to mention any other forum here, especially that one. It seems they are very pro-murder over there and no descenting voices which makes for a boring read.

They did have two posters who thought it was suicide, one was banned from the site and the other had her moderator status taken away.

Tell us your credentials since we are so lucky to have your brilliance on this board. At least Val has a site. Where's yours? Oh yeah, you think this one is.

yea, I didn't even try after reading someone of the really vicious things said about a poster questioning the murder theory.

Perhaps she believed Max was never alone with Rebecca. There's only so much you can do with current custody laws, you know. This wasn't Dina's fault.

No, if she really believed her to be a sociopath, I do not think she would allow her son to be with her without fighting the issue in court. No way.

I wonder how the custody agreement was constructed. Here in CA, there is nothing a parent can do unless the party is shown to be a threat to the child directly. For example, my ex-wife could be living with ex-con gang member, but unless he has done something to directly threaten my child, I have no recourse. I'm sure its similar in AZ. Its rather shocking considering, a babysitter wanting to open a daycare operation would be excluded from being allowed to open such an operation if they did something as minor as lie about how much they paid for their car on the title form, to pay a lower registration fee.

While in theory I agree with you, there's no telling what would have happened had Dina taken Jonah to court over custody. Their divorce records are sealed.

Jonah has a legal backround. I'm sure if he pushed it, he could have gotten sole custody. I don't think his intentions were for Max to not have his mother growing up.

Rumor has it Dina hired a PI to follow Jonah and was given a pretty handsome settlement in the divorce based on the PI's findings.

Dear Grace".....You are a Gift Here....One of the few People to be Honest...Kind....sweet......Intelligent.......caring......We Love You dear One.....Rebecca was definitely Killed.......It's so Obvious....that's why the Family in question"...Is Laying Low...........It's soooo Obvious...say---where is ADAM...no hearing from him..Yet..He was there..He...turned the musick Up ???? that night ??........then 'Low @ behold"...found Her too...Wawoo..@ Texed this to Jonah.......Hello......No one came to see Her..was Left Out....Where was the "caring" boyfriend ?? How come didn't go Home ?? Very strange........

@K~

Alright, K.

Why would you even suggest something so dumb?

I had a LONG day. Don't feel like arguing, just lurking, but that comment is really DUMB!

Has it ever crossed your mind that investigation and fighting both SDSO and Jonah Shacknai might cost a little money? These are hard working americans in the Midwest.. not a tycoon.. Maybe if Jonah wants to join the investigation they can push away anyone wanting to help and just do it nice and quietly.. Jonah can you hear this?

@LopEyeLee - Because their focus isn't about treating their loved one with dignity and respect. You call digging her up for sweeps week respectful and loving? Sounds like they're all about cashing in. *waits for Hillarie to freak out over the term "cashing in"*

Yea ---Jonah Helping with the Investigation .....Nice...But He knows about It......what He appealed for...Is for "the same old" suicide"...to show up...We are Not Interested in this 'Lie".....can Jonah Be a true gentleman...@ Help the Z family with their Investigation ??.............That would be great......

Like, leave the vowels out.

2 Live Crew Make it puke

Sure, makes sense.

Thanks, b.gladdney!

Dave, do you have an argument for your allegations? Is there anything that would change my mind? I'm open to murder/suicide/accident, I just don't see any evidence of murder.

Just Another CraKpOt - I have given you a few.. Not sure your as open as you suggest..

K - Don't worry about Xena.. SDSO interrogate her for two hours without a lawyer.. I am sure they scared her plenty.. You should be very happy.. How many more Zahaus being insulted or hurt would make you happy?

Mack, I understand one of her sisters was with her and the family declined an attorney.

Mack, I disagree, nothing you've given me is beyond explanation. I don't see a murder, I see a suicide, its a bias of mine to avoid conspiracies and the "what if" game.

Why is Robert Mack answering for Dave?

Pray for Xena, Dave, that she tells the truth.

Dear Dave".......every word Yo are saying....Is right On......wonderfully said.....@ Thank You.....Love Your Post....I agree...there are some Poison" Here beeing Poured down...( By the shacknaiis probebly....) <3

K: ask the people on the street in san Diego or Coronado to see if even one cares you mentioning Xena or Mary. You need a good dose of something to be not looking like a joke.

K - Mary is loaded? LOL If you only knew how funny your statements are..

On an Arizona blog they are saying Jonah bought Mary a house. He paid for breast augmentation and an eye lift.

@Nanuck - I don't know who paid for it, but I can tell by looking at her photos that she's had a lot of work done. Plastic surgery isn't something a "poor immigrant" could afford, now is it?

I believe that to be true. Initially they suspected murder, as did I. After collecting/examining evidence they concluded suicide.

Clarification of last post:

Initially LE suspected RZs death to be a murder.

@Mack
" They suggest shoplifting and or any crime can be a sign of other mental issues..."
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This is all that I am suggesting. I do not think shoplifting is a gateway crime.

A 30 year old woman who steals a thousand dollars' worth of jewellery is either a big-time crook or very disturbed. Probably both.

W. It was Robert who started the conversation. How do you call it "demonizing" to simply answer his questions. It's pretty bad when even I have to point out logistical errors.

Right you are, Mike. Check the second picture in the main story above. You will see both doors are closed. Whole hanging from the bedroom was staged to appear to be suicide.

no one - aside from the shacknai's PR firm and gore - are calling this a suicide.
hope the perps are brought to justice. it may not be immediate, but there is no way the folks that made this happen will escape the law given the intense public scrutiny in this case. and the more vociferous the disrupters to this process get online, the more they cement the case for cover-up and corruption.

inner room was perfect for perpetrating the crime, and an unlikely choice for someone despondent and suicidal. check out the hinky meter article about how rebecca may (not) have walked around the house, to the garage and back, naked, to have killed herself the way they claim she did. everything about the suicide theory is highly unlikely, and downright impossible at times.

HAHA and cornado/San Diego is stuck with this guy! What a dummy.

To all those who stay the course on this expository road I salute you. As adults who have been through life and seen one moral insult after another, this story has finally galvanized you to speak, if only on this small post. This is no less than the battle between good and evil. It would be easy to abandon the matter but you haven't. Take pride in your persistence and continue. Evil cannot flourish when brought into light. It grows in all things hidden.

@ ann, Speaking of dummies, you're JusticeForAll, right?

It's either JusticeforAll or Fred Sanford.

Ann -
I keep reading these comments from you that contain the phrase "HAHAHA!" or something to that effect. They don't lend any credibility to any argument. I'm not picking on you, but comments like that are so immature and ignorant. Please stop.

Here are nine types of intelligence. Just because a person is intelligent doesn't mean they are nice.
http://skyview.vansd.org/lschmidt/Projects/The Nine Types of Intelligence.ht

@ ann - So you're JusticeForAll, aren't you?

Let me clarify further that I believe there is profuse evidence of fight wounds and evidence of a struggle. That I personally believe that strangely-unmentioned-by-police duct tape residue was from duct tape that was used to bind Rebecca, and was, furthermore, not from duct tape personally used by Rebecca for 'shin splints' as some have suggested. Further, I personally do not believe that 'cactus wounds' (see also 'stucco abrasions') is an adequate explanation for the myriad strangely-unmentioned-by-police wounds that the autopsy reports elucidate.

She had four minor head bruises and a few scrapes. The tape on her legs could be residue from a bandaid or waxing strips. Try again. She didn't have the injuries Bremner is suggesting she had.

Where is the blog? Is it better than here?

@"W." - And Rebecca's team would know all about suicide.

@Nanuck - No, the blog consists of people lying about the Shacknais, writing racist things, and sexual things about Rebecca dying in the nude.

Although I blame Shacknai and his poor judgment for this whole mess (death of his son which led to the suicide of his girlfriend), I truly hope he sues every last one of these people. Balls to the wall, as SI said.

Audrey, "W." isn't "W". It's probably Hillarie going nuts on board.

@ "W." - If handles didn't matter to you, you wouldn't be mimicking the strong posters. A sure sign of desperation. You don't want people to know that Mary's loaded, that Rebecca played a role in Max's demise, and out of fear of going to jail, she killed herself.

You and your "preposterousness" are killing me. And the lameness of the paid PR thing is booooring.

OMG. Are you suggesting that saying "RIP" is unique to one individual? THIS is what we're dealing with people. Like I said before, it's not even fair to challenge them anymore. Its like a lightweight in a heavyweight fight.

They knew Max was going to be taken off life support, oh impostor o' mine.

No, I've actually seen one of you hint that someone on here was GS because they wrote RIP. And why are people so hung up on the technical death of poor little Max? His family lost his sweet soul days before.

@Justice
I am not sure I understand what you are saying. Who is working for the Shacknais?

@Justice
Are you suggesting the posse works for the Ss? I'm confused.

Well, the murder posse is so ridiculous, they are doing more harm than good to Rebecca's family. Maybe JS PR team sent out these crazy theories to offset any negativity he gets. This ia MY conspiracy theory for today (and I'm entirely kidding - I hope)

Ok, I have to laugh. Was it b. gladney(the real one) or KC that said we were some sociological experiment?

So Robert Mack, this is your new tactic? Create names like those that don't agree with you. Well, I'm still W, and I still know Rebecca killed herself.

@ "W." - Frantically calling Jonah, perhaps, hoping he would come "save" her? You could see why a thief would panic when her meal ticket doesn't want anything to do with her anymore. Sounds more and more like suicide was the obvious choice for her.

@ "W." - She had no qualms using Jonah's credit card while his child lay dying. I guess that proves he was nothing more to her than her meal ticket.

And the Ronald McDonald House is for people with seriously ill children. For you to disparage that shows just how low the Zahau camp will go to get their paycheck. This isn't about grief or truth, it's about cashing in.

It was NOT an elaborate suicide, but it would have been an elaborate murder. It was a pretty simple thing and probably took Rebecca less than 30 minutes.

K: You are beating the bushes to change the topic here. Don't panic yet because there will be more coming out in the news soon. Steve Jobs said: "Oh wow" three times and 2 seconds later he was dead. Got that?

@Dave - Actually, I'm one of the few ON topic. Rebecca killed herself out of guilt because of what she did to Max.

@ "W." - If Max grabbed the chandelier, he would have abrasions on his hands. He had none. If he fell through or with the chandelier, it would not have fallen straight down. It would have veered off to the side.

Someone decided to do a little staging. Wonder if it was Rebecca or Xena who'd seen Cheaper by the Dozen?

@ "W." - You don't know what the Shacknai family is doing because they're keeping quiet about it, unlike the Zahau family.

You'd sell it too if your son and girlfriend died there. Adam always stayed in the guest house when he visited. Rebecca committed suicide, the only question is why? Because she was upset, or because she was responsible for Max's accident?

Quit using my name RM.

I don't believe for one second Max uttered the word "Ocean" or anything else. He was incapable.

As far as him landing in an opposite direction and with the scooter on top of him:

When I was 9 years old, I watched my elder sister fall out of a very big tree - she probably fell at least 20 feet. As I watched her fall, she somersaulted - THANK GOD! If she had fallen straight down, her upper boddy would have landed on the sidewalk below. Because she somersaulted and flipped position, her lower body landed on the sidewalk and, no doubt, saved her life. As it was, she suffered a broken back, shattered pelvis, broken legs, broken arm, and multiple bones broken in her legs and feet. But she was alive!!!!

I belive it's entirely possible from that that height that Max could have somersaulted or flipped positions based on what I saw with my sister.

And the scooter could have easily flipped over the rail and landeed on top of Max if he was riding it in the upstairs hallway - especially if that's what caused him to flip over the rail.

Grey pieces are common with bandadge residue. Any sticky product (like leg waxing) can leave a grey residue.

Waxing residue would collect fibers from clothes and sheets.

You are describing typical wax strips.

@ Nanuck - Yeah, I'm thinking that Rebecca might have done just that.

@ "W." - She wasn't at the hospital very much. She had plenty of time to ditch evidence. Maybe send some home on the plane with Xena.

@ "W." - Who knows why anyone murders a child? Maybe she flew into a rage when he wouldn't call her Mommy.

Keep it coming, though

@ Bystander - Maybe the Zahaus are in on it.

Someone obviously staged Max's accident scene, and only Xena and Rebecca were in the home at the time. It is impossible that neither of them heard Max (allegedly) gain momentum enough to swing through the air, grab a chandelier, smash his back on the railing, smash into the wall, veer towards another wall and smash into that one, and then come tumbling into a heap on the floor. Neither of them heard any of that, but Xena allegedly heard Rebecca call for her to call 911 while she was showering, oh no wait, blow drying her hair.

Well Bystander, Anne B said they declined to have a lawyer present and her sister was with her.

Hey, "W.", the "poor poor pitiful" Zahaus are the ones begging for money. You don't see anyone else talking about it as much as they do.

They need to come to reality and accept it was suicide.

@"W." - They have those things. Do you not know how to read a search warrant?

The authorities have verified that information. But keep repeating your lies about Gabby and Ethan. You're hoping to take the heat off Xena who DOES know something about how Max was killed.

@ "W." - Looks like you need to "pay attention" because you're falling for the Bremner/Zahau slick PR spin.

By the way, if you're going to keep changing your handle, you might want to change your writing style. Oh, and look up big words before you use them.

This is a non-starter. The is no evidence that the children were there. There was never a official reporting that they were there, the neighbor child said he received a text that she had already left. That story has not changed. Show us a report that says they were there.

W., have you read the 100's of pages of documents that were released? Didn't think so.

@"W." - Jonah was riding the ambulance with Max. I doubt he cared about a broken chandelier at that point.

What was Rebecca doing while Xena was hiding evidence - I mean, cleaning up a broken chandelier? Getting rid of the things they couldn't find in the search warrant?

Did Xena's cuts perhaps happen prior or during Max's accident and not from cleaning anything up? Because it's strange that if Max were the one who fell through the chandelier, as alleged, he had no cuts. Only Xena.

Bremner and Company's early and continuous emphasis on placing the surviving Shacknai children on the scene has everything to do with deflecting attention from Xena. Add to that the immediate commentary from the Zahau sister regarding Max's great love for Rebecca, that he preferred her to his own mother. Again, trying desperately to call attention away from that fact that Rebecca's relationship with Max was likely dysfunctional to say the least.

Is it true that Xena was Rebecca's child?

I've often wondered about that point. It seems odd to have a child clean up a broken chandelier.

Yes, they have it. I don't know what they checked it for. It was found in the trash can along with the cut black T-shirt.

@ "W." - It's in the search warrants and autopsy reports. Rebecca changed her stories. Max was face down, no wait, face up, no wait, she couldn't remember. She last saw him in the kitchen, then the hallway. Xena was showering, no wait, blow drying her hair, upstairs, downstairs.

Funny, if I were shaken up, I couldn't make a trip to the mall and load up on jewellery, make-up, and clothes, along with presents for the whole family.

To the trip to the mall, add "with Jonah's credit card."

And Rebecca had a criminal record, and her ex-husband had a criminal record. See a pattern here?

Well I think we should broadcast this all over, just like all of you did about the RUMOUR that Gabby and Ethan were there when Max fell. It doesn't matter if its true, does it? As long as it helps our case?

All in the name of getting to the truth! Right?

Me too!

how does that help?

@Just Another - These are the people asking the public for money.

Her record is under another name.

@Nanuck - I wonder if that's why Max's search warrant said they were looking for social security numbers with different names on them.

Rebecca must have thought she hit it big when she hooked up with Jonah.

I'll agree with that. She's easy on the eyes.

You know Paris, I think there are more people here now that believe Rebecca committed suicide that believe she committed murder, but the murder posse keeps deleting our posts. But then, you would know that, huh?

@ W - "Paris" and "W." are Hillarie going nuts.

Wow, K, you give me far more credit than I deserve. Thanks, though.

Well the literary co. needs it, silly!

Living large.

@JAC
"The left hand had ONE small scratch and ONE TINY scratch on her left forearm. Hardly defensive wounds, unless she was attacked by a left handed kitten. Not even a chipped nail."

I think the left handed kitten theory might take-off. That made me laugh.

That made me literally lol. I want "our group" to be renamed to The Left Handed Kittens.

How many names do these people have? Criminal records under only some of them or all of them?

How old are her parents?

@ W - Don't know, but someone on another board claims Rebecca and Mary are older than's been claimed.

Can't wait till you eat Crow on Thursday. You are so wrong about everything. Rebecca did know how to swim. Another thing you are wrong about.

It's CHEATING and you know it. How pitiful this is what you resort to.

Because when truth doesn't win your favors, just make stuff up, right Lauren?

What difference does it matter when Nina called? Can a phone call kill someone? What difference does it matter if she was on the porch or not? Neighbors saw her leaving the premises after not gaining entry. ONLY REBECCA'S PRINTS AND DNA WAS INSIDE THE ROPE.

From Anne's Facebook page:
From Anne's Facebook Page
Anne Bremner: She did come forward about the visit and her late - night text. Now it looks like Dina was out front after ten pm......
3 hours ago · Like · 1

Because the authorities have verified where everyone was at all times, and because the authorities know that only Rebecca's DNA and prints were inside the rope.

Im sure the friend of the friend of the neighbor of the friend who posts on some wacko site is perfectly reliable. I'll take my chances with the authorities though.

@ "W." - Had they covered the body, the murder posse would have claimed the covering tainted evidence. If you don't like the fact that Rebecca's naked body was exposed to the elements, blame Rebecca. It's how she chose to die.

And had JS not sold his house, he would be "hiding" evidence. It doesn't matter - they just want the family to suffer.

Never heard that. Maybe it was because JS was there. NN, who Bremner said is currently living in California, was invited to the briefing of the Zahau family by the SDSO (probably a conference call.)

Lauren, yes, the authorities have actual proof of everyone's whereabouts. And yes, Rebecca's sole DNA and fingerprints on the rope and in the room prove that she was the only one there at the time of her death.

I disagree with your comment, especially the last part. What exactly is the "actual proof" that they know where Dina, Nina, Adam, and Jonah were all night? Because I have read conflicting things so I am unclear on that . Also, I believe Adam was a short distance away by himself. And if that comment is true about Nina saying she was at the front door and it was actually Dina, I would say there has to be a reason for lying about it. Wouldn't you? (that is if the person who posted it is telling the truth) and if they are apparently the police decided to ignore that witness.

Most telling is the sentence, "Rebecca was very intelligent and achieved anything she set her mind on." She sure pulled off a successful SUICIDE.

If I thought my sister was murdered, that is all I would be able to say. I wouldn't need to wait for a celebrity lawyer to change my mind later.

Funny that it took the Zahaus 2 months to decide their sister was murdered.

K - you are wrong again. They didn't believe it was suicide ever.

This tribute was obviously focused on Rebecca's life. Not the time or place to discuss her murder.

Justice
6:56pm on Saturday, November 5, 2011
If I thought my sister was murdered, that is all I would be able to say. I wouldn't need to wait for a celebrity lawyer to change my mind later.
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I think Anne Bremner offered her services precisely because the Zahaus believed that Rebecca was murdered:

The woman's sister said investigators confirmed that it was suicide during a visit to the family home in St. Joseph, Mo., to discuss their findings. They told her Wednesday that it would have been difficult but "very possible" for Zahau to kill herself.

Mary Zahau-Loehner said investigators failed to convince her that her sister killed herself.

Zahau-Loehner said there were many unanswered questions. Her family has hired Seattle attorney Anne Bremner.

Most telling is the sentence, "Rebecca was very intelligent and achieved anything she set her mind on." She sure pulled off a successful SUICIDE.

@ K, nowhere in their statement did they mention or even hint that they believed or accepted that Rebecca had killed herself:

Rebecca valued her life and lived her life to its fullest

Rebecca loved God, her family, and life

Rebecca was taken from us far too soon

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44367572/ns/us_news-life/t/naked-hanging-california-mansion-ruled-suicide/#.Trah5UPDVGU

that was on September 2, right around the time the police announced their findings of suicide. Since the family probably didn't know what direction the police were going to take in the investigation, i find it hard to believe that the Zahaus already knew and had accepted that Rebecca had killed herself. the family would not have reacted the way they did when the police told them of the suicide finding.

No, but ann = "JusticeForAll" and "JusticeForEveryone".

Most telling is the sentence, "Rebecca was very intelligent and achieved anything she set her mind on." She sure pulled off a successful SUICIDE.

Agreed, W, plus they think she went to heaven despite killing herself. So much for their claim that they believe Rebecca wouldn't kill herself because it would meant automatic hell.

Has SDSO said AS DNA was not on table, knife found in yard, or where rope was cut?

The only thing I can find(from SDSO PP):

"The investigation revealed the knife and table had been used by the reporting party to cut her down"

It doesn't say specifically that they tested for his DNA, but it doesn't say they didn't either.

Or playful. Oh wait. That is a forced smile on RZs face, right?

@ ann - Then take it up with Kathleen McKenna because that's who she says you are.

And as far as "desecrating" Rebecca - no, that was her job. We're just discussing the case. RIP Max.

K - I also agree.. RIP Max... and RIP Rebecca.. I did not know either but have become fond of both.. They both seemed to be loved by many..

Your sense of familiarity is about as creepy as Rebecca referring to Max as her son. You didn't know either. How can you be "fond" of them?

@Mack

LMAO!

@Mack
Patch probably appreciates the traffic from our "discussions." May be why we are still here after all the BS that is posted. You could probably get some money from ads on your crazy blog with all the comments there. Yikes!

@Mack

SI is not dumb. She knows how to work it. You should talk to her.

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

Robert Mack 12:22am on Wednesday, September 14, 2011

Gabby, based on her facebook postings, father's influence, and her general teenage attitude I imagine ran home believing whatever version of
the truth she wanted. Best money says the bet is on Gabby hasn't lost a night sleep over the loss of her half brother and this Asian woman she
didn't really like in the first place. Not long after she returned home her daddy Jonah cashed in some company stock and placed it in a trust for
his loving daughter and remaining son at the tune of about 650K each. Not sure if this was a partial payout for the kids silence or for his ex-wife to
keep silent but Gabby and her brother were the ones that were paid first from Rebecca's murder.

Robert Mack Flag as inappropriate
12:49pm on Tuesday, September 27, 2011
Val - Exactly.. Another reason to worry about this case. If the kids know these two adult killed or had killed someone and got away with it..
You don't think the kids are going to give it a try when they get older? People are disposable and we don't have to answer to anyone, we
are better than that.

Dude, replace the letters SI with "Mack."

Rebecca is Rebecca's killer.

Because she is an alive child, like Ethan & Gabby...right Ludwig?

naked

Not ludwig. The murder posse is so unimaginative.

Yes, Xena is an alive child. Max is not. Xena was a witness when Max was fatally wounded. Gabby and Ethan were not. Xena needs to tell the truth.

Sorry K, I said Ludwig because she's always on RM about mentioning Ethan & Gabby.

Were they not at the mansion at all prior to Max's accident? I haven't heard confirmation one way or another. I'm sure they could be informative about the overall tone of the household. They sound like smart, bright kids. If there was tension in the home they would definitely know.

Wonder if we will find out, what was on the numerous cameras taken from the home.

@ hope - Ethan and Gabby left early the morning of Max's accident. Max went with Jonah to see them off, then was returned home while Jonah went to the gym. Jonah planned ont aking him to the zoo that day.

Only Xena and Rebecca were in the home with Max the day he was fatally wounded.

@hope

hope
8:21pm on Saturday, November 5, 2011
naked

Ha, ha

Thanks K, was hoping there was more that i had missed. I was just thinking Ethan & Gabby may be able to fill in some holes about the time/days prior to the accident. Kids are generally very smart and perceptive and hopefully would be able to add a little color commentary to life prior to the accident.

I pray all three of those kids get some counseling/therapy to help process the horror of that week. I think there is still time to minimize damage. Unfortunately, it may be too late for the grownups. This whole thing is heartbreaking.

Time to take my dog for a walk.

naked

K - It is hearsay that Gabby and Ethan left on an early flight that morning.

K - As far as Xena goes.. She was interrogated by SDSO and CPD she has given statements, DNA, and fingerprints.. Who would want their kid to be put through all of this? Please leave the kids alone!!

K - You and others are basing events of the day Max fell on what that one article said. It has already been pointed out that several items in the article were not true so please don't declare that everything in that you read as Fact unless you can back it with at least two other sources!! That is just a good rule of thumb, and it will keep you from looking like an idiot later.

K - I respect you wanting to find out what happened to Max.. I want to find that out too.. We can do that without water boarding any children.. IMO
It would go a lot easier with the support and resources of Max's father.. After all, why have all that money if you cant use it for those you love? IMO

not everything is a planned out murder..like Rebecca's suicide.

So did they decide to replace Mary because she turned viewers off with her inarticulate, bitter hate speech?

Signed, notarized confession?

@ LargerPie - No. Anne Bremner is claiming Dina was outside the mansion the night Rebecca killed herself.

I was outside the mansion that night too....so?

@LargerPie - Aha!

oops.

OK, I'm going to make a guess-
The Clump of Hair.

The black gloves;
and the fingerprints left on the inner side of the gloves; killer sometimes forget about that.

Your computer?

Why are you bringing up Xena again. Aren't kids off limit? Sounds like you guys just mean Shacknai kids, eh?

But - but - I thought the murder posse said Xena was considered an adult by some cultures (even though the kid's years behind her peers grade-wise). I mean, come on, she was old enough to clean up glass - Rebecca said so. So since Xena is the only living witness, she needs to tell the truth.

How do you know what she has said and if its the truth?

@ hope - Because of what the search warrants and autopsy reports state.

K, can you please tell me what they say she says. Been under the weather & trying to speed read and catch up. Thanks in advance.

I need to quit reading the comments on your blog. I feel like I'm in grade school after reading some of those posts. Do you know those people? I mean, have you actually met them? Creepy.

Anyways...as good as a confession. Hmmm....

LargerPie - With all do respect I am not in charge or control of anyone posting here or on the J4R blog unless someone is posting and I don't know about it. I respect everyone's views and opinions.

"I wanted to help the San Diego Sheriff's Department in any way that I could regarding Rebecca, so I voluntarily met with them, gave them an interview and voluntarily gave them my DNA," wrote Romano.

http://ktar.com/6/1467420/Mystery-woman-seen-at-Shacknai-mansion-identified

K - you are wrong.

I was trying to see if everyone was paying attention.. If I really had evidence that pointed to one person I think I would have pointed it out to the right people by now.. Its not like I enjoy getting called names by complete strangers.. Its Friday night.. Is everyone having a good night so far? Can we lighten up just a bit?.. Maybe until like noon tomorrow or something? SMILE!!

Clarification to my above post-

I do not know weither the red stains are in fact blood. Just an assumption. Even then, we don't know if those stains were tested.

LopEyeLee - You had some good queses.. I don't think that bedroom was the crime scene at all.. and it seems like the only place they looked or collected evidence from..

I do not believe the guest room was the crime scene either.

How would her feet get so dirty from a cream colored carpet?

And why, would she not leave any footprints on the balcony when she allegedly eyeballed the rope length?

Why wouldn't Rebecca leave dirty footprints when she came back inside on the light colored carpet?

Someone knew where that tow rope was kept. Someone familiar with the house.

I'm thinking the element of surprise was used here. Perhaps Rebecca was grabbed going in or getting out of the shower. (Towel in the hallway)

LopEyeLee - Exactly about the carpet.. If she took a shower she would have dried off because of the carpet, at least her feet

I think that room was her sanctuary.. That seems like where Rebecca would go to be alone, get away from the kids, paint, and just breathe fresh air.. I do not think she would have chosen that room to take her life..

I don't think Rebecca chose to take her own life.

It is starting to sound as though the two sisters were tag teaming her- one texting, the other at the door.

The one texting as a decoy while the other one used a key to get in.

One of them could have been over at the guest house getting some hot ganip-ganap from AS while someone else was performing an execution.

It is curious - if Adam is innocent - where was he when the female cries for help were going on?

@Lulu~

Shower, asleep, didn't hear them due to tv/radio, on the phone, getting hot ganip-ganap as in distraction, slipped out- not home, was involved, etc....

Rebecca chose that room because of the balcony. She wanted Jonah to see her when he entered the courtyard. Adam just messed that up. She committed suicide. Remember how her sister said she could do anything she set her mind to?

Naked!! One from me!!

Guess again, Robert. And NO ONE has made racist remarks or disrespected Rebecca. Well, her family and Anne Bremner have disrespeced Rebecca by digging her up for ratings, but no one here has.

totally agree James. I've been to a site where she and sick itten have posted, and some of their comments were definitely overtly racist, which would explain their hatred towards Rebecca and her family. Btw K, just because Mary may not be able to speak perfect English doesn't mean that she's inarticulate. Prejudiced much?

@ K, you're the one who's disrespecting Rebecca by ACCUSING her of murder, even without proof! I don't see why you should care what her family does to her body seeing as you're not the one who's affected by her death. You're not the one who lost a family member. You have no right to judge them for wanting to find answers regarding the death of their loved one. You've now resorted to a new low, picking on a 13 year old kid is just completely sick and pathetic. How does Xena's educational background relate to this case at all?

Oh and btw, the fact that the family allowed Xena to be interviewed by the police without a lawyer present shows to me that they have nothing to hide. If Xena knew Rebecca had murdered Max and was trying to hide it, the police would have gotten that information out of her even with her relative in the room.

Is it just me or does anyone else wish they could rate comments posted?
@ Mary - Excellent!!

Just another one of RM's postings trying to discredit anyone that doesn't believe Rebecca was murdered. Why can't you and the family accept she committed suicide?

I believe that Rebecca killed herself just like I believe Max's death was an accident. Even though I believe the police may have done a poor job explaining things to the Zahaus, I have not seen or read anything that contradicts the LE's findings. I just think it's terrible that both sides have no qualms accusing and slandering all the people involved in this tragedy even without proof.

Mary - Evidence does not support Rebecca going over that railing.. Too many things dont add up.. She could have hung herself from below in the courtyard. She would have had to jump two feet in the air placing the noose around her neck using no hands.. but anything is possible and that scenario makes as much sense as her going over the balcony but at least the courtyard scenario would match the evidence..

The fact that the bed just moved once should have been enough for investigators to know. Any rocket scientist in here want to explain how someone goes over a rail head first and the bed just move once?

Mary, why do you care if Rebecca killed Max? Are you Mary Zahau Hoecker? How do these discussions of facts concern you? Who are you?

What evidence doesn't support is murder.

@Lulu~

Good point about the brick area.

Need to find the area of the home with dark topsoil dirt. Rebecca's feet were almost black according to those that have seen them.. Not going to get that with dust dirt on balcony or walkways.. Someone suggested to me that she could have been killed somewhere else. (not the house) I am not a big fan of this theory because it seems like a stretch but we don't know where she may have went after getting off the phone with her sister. It could explain the bent legs and lack of "booting"

The balcony was chosen to humiliate the homeowner it would seem. She was angry.

Area of the home with dark topsoil: that would usually suggest a planting bed with flowers or newly planted bushes. The pictures I've seen of the home don't look like anyone was very interested in the landscaping. However, maybe some poster on her who lives in the area was able to see whether there was a "flower bed" that RZ may have stepped in or newly planted flower pots, where some soil could have been spilled and stepped in....anyone seen anything like that?

Rebecca wanted Jonah to find her that way. Too bad she didn't leave a note for her family.

It's not mean of you to say because if "anyone" were being attacked, one would hope that that person would get their butt kicked.

However, RZ was 5 ft. 2 1/2 in. tall - and it would be difficult to have to deal with a woman or a man who was, or nearly was, 6 feet tall.

That's why I am saying the element of surprise.

Dina was supposed to be at the hospital. Rebecca would not have thought she'd show up at the mansion. She didn't respond to Nina's text.

@Lulu - So if you think it'd be easy for Rebecca to be taken down by someone slightly taller than she was, how about Max being taken down by someone twice his size?

@ Robert - Then where are Rebecca's defence wounds if she was "overpowered"? Logic and science, people. Not bad fiction like Kathleen McKenna writes.

K - Max wasn't "taken down by someone twice his size."

@K~

Come on!

Why are you intentionally posting incorrect, misleading information?

Max was 45 inches= 3.75 feet
Rebecca was 63.5 inches= 5.29 feet

Rebecca was 18 inches taller than Max.

Max weighed 57 lbs
Rebecca weighed 100lbs.

100lbs - 57lbs= 42lbs.

K - I agree there were not any noticeable typical signs of defense wounds. She had wounds all over her body (confirmed) yet nobody else was given a complete body examination to see if they had any wounds. (would normally be done in an investigation) Science only works if LE chose to use it.. They were very (too) selective in this case.. Either out of respect for grieving family or because money britches impressed them too much or combination of both.

She was very fit and didn't have any trouble at all hopping out to the balcony and bouncing over the railing. Much easier than you try to say. What would have been hard and stupid was a murder like that.

I've not seen anything on any forum or news article that said anything about Nina/Dina and cuts, scrapes or bruises. I don't know if LE even "looked" at them...especially right away...and later on during the investigation - healing would have already taken place.

The way you freaks pick on grieving parents is beyond despicable. Their whereabouts are accounted for. Only Rebecca killed Rebecca.

@K~

Who are you calling "freaks", dog-fart?

WHY do you think the Shacknai's are the only people who are deserving of compassion here? And the one thing you are right about is their whereabouts.

Dina was seen outside the mansion front door approx 10pm.

Nina was texting Rebecca for what @ 10:41pm, milk and cookies?

What a tangled web we weave....

LopEyeLee - Nobody except Xena was ever checked or treated as a possible suspect in either of these two deaths.. SDSO chose to focus the bulk of its strong arming on a child!! Way to make us proud SDSO!!

I don't think we know the answer to that - "witnesses" and "neighbors" is all I've read anywhere. But I do believe I've read that there were witnesses (plural) that heard the cries for help.

The person that saw Dina at the door was a passer bye.. I think someone dog walking.. That makes 3 witnesses that were dismissed or considered not relevant. Wonder what the magic number for SDSO would have been? Three people in the room holding video cameras with a certified court reporter taking notes?
Very poor investigation by any standards.. oh yeah.. IMO.. :{

Makes me wonder what happened to Islandkat.. Sure hope she/he didnt go to CPD or SDSO!!
Islandkat if you are still reading please have your lawyer contact Anne Bremner even if you told your story to CPD or SDSO.. What you saw that night could make the all the difference in this case but you will not be taken seriously by those two LE departments.. Thank you

The "scream" came from the beach from a bunch of teenagers. Rebecca killed herself.

LOL!!

Good morning, Kitty Chi~

Good morning, LopEyeLee (your name is more fun to say than to type)!

kitty chi, when did you read the 100's of pages of documents????? you don't know nothin.

Candygram

Hee-hee!

Landshark!

Like everyone she just wanted to have a sit down spot of tea at 11pm at night.. Doesnt everyone do that while your child lay dying in a hospital? I thought that was normal zonies.. no?

@ LargerPie~

The AR report states Rebecca had pink polish on her fingernails and orange polish on her toes.

I considered red polish as well until I read that.

LargerPie - Confirmed as nail polish?

LargerPie - Confirmed as freshly painted nails?

@LopEyeLee & Mack

I don't know what the red stain was but I'm sure SDSO tested it since they took the time to retrieve the paper towels and tissue w/stain. Some people with sinister ideas suggest red dye from pepper spray, I think it could have been something as innocent as nail polish or lip color.

You know, guys tend to think any shade of pink, orange, or red is "red."

LargerPie

10:22am on Sunday, November 6, 2011

@LopEyeLee & Mack

I don't know what the red stain was but I'm sure SDSO tested it since they took the time to retrieve the paper towels and tissue w/stain.
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LargerPie, I wouldn't be sure they tested anything just because they took time to retrieve it. As we know, woman's underwear was found in a trash can in the guest house along with clumps of woman's hair! and neither item was forensically examined.

I have never said anything about pepper spray or nail polish.. I get sprayed with pepper spray on a regular basis (cert for job).. Stings like a mofo every time!!

Showering, painting her nails, putting a shirt around her neck to protect from bruising - looks like Rebecca wanted to be found completely ready when she died. Some suicide victims do the most bizarre things, like dress themselves in their burial clothes.

Thanks Bystander, this is what I understand the confirmed information to be. As of this moment.

Also, that there is absolutely no confirmed public statement from Xena.

Please correct me if I this is incorrect.

oops, if this incorrect. (coffee hasn't hit yet ;>)

@Bystander
RZ did not have a Blackberry. How do you know what her calendar said?

@Bystander~

I was under the impression Rebecca has a new phone- but it was like a Samsung or something other than a Blackberry. Something where LE was having an issue retrieving information or accessing information aside from Jonah's alleged call.

My take is they couldn't figure out how to operate the phone, so it became a non issue. Since it took LE so long to actually look into the phone, Detective Tsuinga determined it was too late to retrieve Jonah's message from AT&T.

Bystander - All in due time.. Cant hide everything or buy everyone off forever.. People are greedy little so and so.. Someone will get upset with someone and the truth shall set them free.. Almost always happens, it will happen here too!!
Does everyone know how much money this man has? If he has paid for you to be silent I would ask for more money because I bet he would pay it.. Just my opinion..

Thanks for mentioning, once again, that Rebecca called Xena her "daughter". So how did Rebecca's daughter get injured that day? What were they doing to Max that they had to hide?

LopEyeLee - On two things.. Rebecca had two phones.. one blackberry and one windows mobile based.. The Blackberry was replaced by the WM Samsung phone. The SDSO claims it could not get data off the Windows Mobile 5.0 phone was BS. Though a newer version of the software Microsoft Windows Mobile OS has been around for a few years.. My last three phones were WM based. The newer phones don't have any newer connections not already available.
Any LE worth a damn would have dumped cell records and phone data immediately. Why they held off is because from the beginning they believed this was a suicide and investigated it as such. If you read interviews conducted (from those that gave interviews that I spoke with) All they really were concerned about is why she would have committed suicide. (Not who could have killed her)
After all their interviews they never had an answer until someone "JS" lead them to the late night voice mail. By the time they actually checked for it "Poof" it was gone..
The phones in this case were a non issue until very late in the investigation..
SDSO came up with the excuse of "new software" because it did not want to give the phone back to the family until they were sure it didn't have anything on it "in plain sight" that could confirm them as the bafoons they have showed themselves to be.

They supposedly never ran the "new or old forensic software" on the phone. This step should have been done no matter what and any police station in the country would have done so!! So why didn't SDSO supposedly the 4th largest LE department in the country? Go figure.. I have the forensic software if they need to borrow it.. Mine came out in Dec of last year, maybe they couldn't afford it? It did cost almost $100.. Oh well what do any of us know.. they are the EXPERTS!! LOL IMO!!

Bystander, then why was Xena taken to the clinic for injuries? Oh that's probably fits somewhere into your very imaginative murder theory. Does the murder posse not have reading comprehension skills?

Mack, where did you get SDSO was the 4th largest police department in the country?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheriffs_in_the_United_States

In 2004, SDSO was the 11 largest sheriff's department in the USA, and that doesn't include city law enforcement agencies, so NYC would also be up there if not #1.

Gabby and Ethan were not at the mansion at the time of Max's accident. Only Rebecca and Xena.

No one has written a single racist thing about Rebecca, unlike LopEyeLee and the other bigots who love to hate Jewish people and rejoice that one less "Zionist is in the world". That's a quote from the murder posse. Feel proud to be among them?

Here is just one example of RM's true thinking:

Robert Mack
4:52am on Wednesday, September 14, 2011
"German SS employed a trick popular since biblical times, and still in use in the Middle East today: disgracing and humiliating their sisters, wives,
and daughters. It went like this. The girl was made to stand on a bucket or stool while the noose was tightened around her neck. An officer then
kicked the bucket or stool away, and the girl gasped, convulsed for a few minutes, then urinated and defecated down her legs before becoming
limp and dying."
Though it doesn't specifically apply it shows the use of a hanging suicide as a last form of humiliation before death. if someone wanted revenge
say for killing a beloved child and was demented enough to carry it out this could make sense. It reminded me of another form of torture and
humiliation, it was reported German soldiers would often allow their dogs to bite Jews while they stood back laughing. Something Jonah enjoyed
doing to Dina on more than one occasion.

@LopEyeLee
Not funny. Some of my best friends are werewolves.

Hee-hee! =)

Hi LopEyeLee, yes but how did you know was it the National Geographic special? And Larger Pie, I apologize if my post sounded like judgemental to the wolves really they are doing great though its hard to run a chicken franchise when you eat all your own product but all small biz's have start up issues :) And as you are probably aware Werewolves are always denied bailout monies and everytime they try to occupy a place to expose this predjudice they end up eating people so their press is just HORRIBLE! :)

Because they don't want to see who killed Max. They're just glad one more "Zionist" is dead. This is what the case is all about.

@ K~

WTH...???

Johnny Cochran you are not!

Gringo is mucho stupido.

If RZ had chosen a more conventional way of suicide, it wouldn't be in the newspapers and you wouldn't have heard about it to be sad.

@hope
mmmmm
12:28pm on Sunday, November 6, 2011
If RZ had chosen a more conventional way of suicide, it wouldn't be in the newspapers and you wouldn't have heard about it to be sad
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And neither you nor I would be here and I would not have a hangover right now. ;)

For some reason Rebecca chose to kill herself in the manner she did. She should have left a note for her family. Very cruel that she did not.

With all due respect K, jeez, give the kid a break. None of us, the adoring public, know what she has said and to whom. If you know more than the rest of us, please share.
Maybe we will get more info this week.

@hope - Read the search warrants and autopsy reports. There are discrepancies. Three people were at the scene of Max's accident and two of them are dead. The lone survivor needs to tell the truth.

K, perhaps you think you are helping Dina who is supposedly "quietly" having an investigation done of Max's death. You have only added more suspicion in the death of Rebecca.

The "scene" was not "staged" as confirmed by paramedics..

@ Robert - The paramedics don't confirm staged or unstaged scenes. They just rescue the injured. In this case, they resuscitated a fatally injured child and probably gave Rebecca a heart attack. She was planning on him being dead.

K - How do you figure? Your just throwing crap at a wall and hoping something sticks now.. You sound a lot like Sick Itten.

Stalker.

@ K~

You're even dumber than you look.

But Mack you're a fake, phony, liar. So why would you care what others say? You're just a kid with a chip, or a loser who's partner in crime left him for a bigger mark.

I supposed you know all this too. You're a fake Mack!

@ K~

IF you are truly convinced that there are discrepancies in Max's case conclusions, then you have to openly admitt there are discrepancies by the SDSO with Rebecca and Max's cases both. Contact the Shacknai's and request an immediate exhumation be done to verify Max's injuries and toss out the silly recreation of Max going over the railing where they used an adult model.

IF you think Max's case has been been improperly investigated, you and your suicide gang blow some hot air up the Shacknai's backside and get it reinvestigated.

We KNOW Rebecca's was.

Once the information comes out that it was, you will have more credibility and may gain more support.

Unless you are committed and willing to take action for Maxie, STFU because you are preaching to the choir.

@LopEyeLee - MAXIE?? You didn't know the kid, did you? If so, maybe there's more you'd like to tell us, and you know, maybe tell the police. Like the TRUTH.

Or maybe you didn't know him and you're just projecting, kind of like Rebecca, who liked to pretend things that didn't belong to her, did, like jewellery, and mansions, and children.

what is the point of Dina or Jonah trying to get justice for Max? Rebecca is dead, she cant' be prosecuted, like she knew she would (thats really why she killed herself). The taxpayers of SD are going to pay for a homicide investigation where the perpetrator is dead.

@ K~

How many names do you have?

@ K~

You mean like you are displaying?

ann/LopEyeLee/board anti-Semite - These are FACTS. I thought the murder posse wanted to discuss FACTS.

K - if this is on the table, then you also have to connect a history of domestic violence with murder.

This article is about Rebecca.

@ K~

Is this the best you can come up with?

You sit around here like an old crone trying to guess people's identities, trying to insert yourself into the lives of the Shacknai's that you can only fantasize about.

The Shacknai's don't care about you. You are chit to them.

You demean yourself by plugging away about Max's death and not doing anything about it.

Revenge suicides happen all the time:

http://www.essortment.com/advice-suicide-depression-warning-signs-16765.html

So do manipulative suicides.

"She save him. Can he save her?" Apparently no on both counts, Rebecca.

Zicketyzam.

@mmmmm

Have you been over to J4R? It's like their own little Island for fever.

really? and that's the only reason Mr. Law Enforcement? You are soo phony!

You are a joke K. Your obession is out of control. Are you trying to justify Rebecca's murder? Sure looks like it.

Christians don't baptize kids. They wait until they are old enough to make the decision for themselves....and a pastor does it.

Just remember the truth will be out soon enough!

@ K~

Oh really? What's their name, provide a link.